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No, that you will have a discussion on family --

-- oh, as young as 13, 14. Yes, as young as that.

Because you can sense then they're already sexually active or about to become so?

Yes.

Incidentally, this is kind of a personal professional question -- but how extensively or even intensively do you know discuss the work that's going on at Northside with your husband?

We haven't discussed the inner workings very much at all. The discussions we tend to have about Northside may be on a policy level, or, you know, on an administrative level, but not really the actual treatment program, or what we do. Not so much.

You did have more active discussions earlier.

Well, he was on our staff for many years.

You really set it up jointly.

Sure, and he was on the staff.

Although, if I understand correctly, you spear-headed this because this is what you wanted to do, and your husband ur ged you to do it.

That's true. That's true. But he was on the staff for many years.