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-- that's right -- (crosstalk) -- that's right, he has to promote himself.

Now, to come back to the “Bag Lady” remark, while Powell was not a lawyer, he certainly knew a lot about law.

Of course.

He must have known that he was making a libelous statement. Do you think that there was some built-in self-destructive mechanism in the personality of Adam Powell?

Well, if you just want my personal opinion, I don't think so. I really don't think so. I just think it was a horrible error. And if he'd made it from the pulpit, you know, it might have been different, because you could have said: well, it was on Sunday. So he'd be excluded from any kind of harassment. But he made it out of the church, and left himself open. I just think it was a terrible blunder.

Of course, if he'd made it on the floor of Congress, I believe he would have been immune.

I think so. Either Congress or on Sunday ink his church. But it had to be a blunder, because he could have said it otherwise.

Now, as far as his taking the two young ladies to Europe at government expense and flaunting it to a certain degree-- he must have known that this was going to, to put it gently, tweek the noses of the Congressional club, where other members do similar things