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but they just do them more surreptitiously.

More discreetly, yes. Yes. I don't know except, the only way I can ever think of an explanation for it is that I think he had gotten to this point where he really was over-confident, and as you say, arrogant, and he realty believed he was going to get away with this. He was almost flaunting it. It was so unnecessary. That's the only way I can explain it.

It always seemed to me, as I followed his campaigns, that he was just the best vote getter that Harlem could ever have, and yet he was defeated finally for renomination, without nearly the alliance against him that he had had---

-- in previous years.

(crosstalk) -- white establishment tried to deny him the nomination in 1958. Do you have any personal opinion or other judgment as to why that happened, how that happened?

I really don't. I really don't. I can only tell you what my husband would tell you, and he's already told you. No. But I would like to tell you one little story about Adam Powell, for the record, and that is, how I first met him. And I don't think my husband has told you that story.

Anyway, when my husband was appointed to City College, he had worked very hard to get that appointment, and he had some friends there, including Gardner Murphy and Feinberg who had helped him, really. But it had been a long struggle, and he made it on his own,