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white government more stubborn and more difficult to deal with, until
somewhere down the line you'll get revolution, then a lot of
bloodshed, and God knows what after that.
Was this a number of times discussed in the Corporation?
Oh, forever. I mean, at least 20 times in the last two
Is there generally consensus, or do different people in the
Corporation, do different of the fellows have different views?
There are some who feel more strongly about it than
others. Derek has given it the most thought, and is very articulate
about it; has been the person who has been firmest on the whole
issue, I would say, of all of us. But I don't think there's anybody
who said they were for divestment. I think quite a few people felt
that sooner or later it would become necessary--for our own good, not
necessarily for South Africa's good: namely, to keep peace in the
Can you think of other issues that we haven't discussed that are,
you know, kind of student-political issues that you've had to deal
Well, there's always the question of quote “minority
representation” in the faculties. There are not very many women with
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