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tenure; there are practically no blacks or Puerto-Ricans with tenure; and the situation is very difficult to do anything about because very few minorities in the last ten years have gone on to graduate schools and gotten PhD's. They have, I guess probably wisely, gone into law or business [laughter] or money-making graduate studies, if they get that far. So the competition is intense, and if you're lucky enough to acquire a black professor, the chances are that within two years somebody else will offer him 50% more just to satisfy their quota requirements. It's a situation that is going to be with us for a long time.

With women it's different, because there are a lot of women in graduate schools--I'm talking not about the professional graduate schools, I'm talking about getting academic PhD's. And so they will gradually move into the whole system, and you will see--there are already a lot of junior professors, and you will see tenured women professors in large quantities five, ten years from now--particularly now that the situation is opening up and there's need for, or there will be in the 1990s, with retirement of--there's a big bulge of retirement coming up from 1990 to the year 2000, and that will give lots of opportunities for promotions.

Q:

Is there a commitment by the fellows to minority promotion? How does the feeling run?

Heiskell:

We do everything we can to go out and get people: we get minorities, we try to get them at the undergraduate level, with some success. But there's hardly a university in the country that can





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