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list, mainly the hangovers from previous years, and you beat the bushes to get names for candidates, new candidates--usually without much success. For some reason, people are not, they don't seem to be wild to nominate candidates for honorary degrees. And then you get into a discussion about nominees, and whether spoken or not, if the candidate is less than 60 or 65 years old, somebody will bring up the fact that: “Well, he hasn't really proved himself yet”, or, “How do you know he isn't going to make an ass out of himself in the next five years?” [laughter]. You know, they cite the man who got the Nobel prize for--what was it? in the sciences--

That Stanford professor?

No--and then became the great champion of Vitamin C as a cure-all to everything?

Linus Pauling?

Linus Pauling. And everybody has a good chuckle over that--that's one way of eliminating a lot of names.

So there is an age-bias, spoken or not.

There is the age-bias, spoken or not. And indeed, when you're all through, you find yourself with a sort of gerontological society [laughter] out there. You hope they can get up off their chairs to receive the honorary degree. They run between 65 and 90.