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say: “Boy, we've really done a great job, and we have got the greatest”--so on. Because the vast majority of the Puerto-Rican, SSA, and black minorities have been educated in what are essentially substandard public schools.

What is SSA?

Spanish-speaking Americans. That's to take care of everybody but Puerto-Ricans, I believe--although I don't know why Puerto-Ricans don't qualify as SSA.

Maybe they're large enough to warrant their own grouping?

Well, they're also U.S. citizens.

What about--do the fellows get involved in the granting of honorary degrees?

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I ran the committee on honorary degrees.

What won't you describe that?

That's quite a thing, because the committee consists of--or consisted, when I was there--of one fellow, one member of the Corporation, one overseer, and one member of each of the faculties: medicine, law, business, so on so on. And you would start with a