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aren't more problems. There have been murders.

What has your work at Harvard meant to you? Of all the different things that you've done in your life, in other words. Compared to the things you've done, rather.

Well, it's been extremely interesting, in that it is such an extraordinarily complex organization that occupies such a prime position in the U.S. society. And you do feel--you have a feeling that you have to be doubly careful about your behavior, because you're not only making a decision that effects Harvard, but probably making a decision that will in one way or the other influence other universities, or other institutions. So you really work, you work very hard to try to exercise the best judgment possible. And essentially, it's a judgmental job that you have, because you're not acting. You're not the one that makes things happen, you're only the one that is involved in the decision process, and somebody else gets it done.

I suppose it's very satisfying in terms of pride, of making it there. I always get a great kick out of it, because every time they get very patriotic about Harvard, I always remind them that I never went there [laughter]. And I also remind them that I got Frank Stanton to run for overseer, and Frank Stanton turned out to be the best overseer we've ever had--

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