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Yes. And he'd had no association with Harvard whatsoever. None! He'd never been to school, either the Graduate School or to an advanced what-have-you school, and he's been the most diligent, faithful, energetic, generous overseer that you can imagine. So that gives me a certain satisfaction. And he's gotten enormous pleasure out of doing it. He's been chairman of the visiting committee of the Kennedy School, and I think of the Design School at one point or another.
Yes, I like wearing the top hat and the tail, the swallow-tail for graduation. I'll show you a picture of myself in that.
Okay. We could, you know, if you--as you think of things, we could come back to it any time.
Sure.
If I'm not wrong, the other college you've been very involved with is Bennington. Is that correct?
Yes.
So why won't you start talking about that. How did you get involved?
Well, that was a long time ago. That must have been--oh, around 1967, 1968, maybe earlier--1965? 1966?. I got involved for a very silly reason. There was a man at the Ford Foundation, Shep
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