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managing editor of Time, where he's been performing for a year.

What about on the publishing side in that period?

Well, it wasn't very long after-that that Jack Meyers, who had not quite made it on the previous round as publisher, did become publisher. Jack was--is--a very solid, driving, sales type of man; good at running a team; probably not that good at promotion. And what I can't remember now is where Ralph Davidson moved to.

He became--he succeeded--he became chairman.

Not in '78.

Oh, you mean between '78 and '80.

Oh, I guess I moved him up with Dick Monroe and Co.[?]

Vice-chairman?

By '78, yes--we'd gotten my succession down to Dick Monroe, Ralph Davidson and one other--

We've talked about this.

Right. So he went up there. Yes, that's it.