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never again asked to testify in any trial.[laughter]

Advantage. [laughter]

And this fellow who was so entertaining, such a civilized lovely gentle person, next time I heard about him was at the end of the McCarthy trial when he was representing the Senate Investigating Committee and he was the one who said to McCarthy, “Have you no shame, Sir?” and somehow that sentence put an end to McCarthy. Extraordinary.

O.K. I wanted to touch on a few things before we get back to our discussion about Time Magazine. I'm going to read to you from the Op Ed page of the New York Times Wednesday February 18th. It was an article by William J. Bennett. Just one sentence. Quote “It is by no means clear” Bennett, of course, being Secretary of Education, “It is by no means clear that the preformance of many of our colleges and universities justifies this level of expenditure.” He was complaining about the increase in tuition. “As I said on the occassion of Harvard's 350th anniversary, too many students fail to recieve the education they deserve at our nation's universities. The real problem is not lack of money, but failure of vision.” Now, do you have any, from your point of view, from a Harvard point of view, any comments on his criticism of the education being recieved? Did you discuss it at the Corporation level?

Oh yes. Not only that, we even discussed it yesterday.