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to you that one of the wilder things that I have done in my life was to back John Anderson for the Presidency. Not Reagan, not a Democrat, but Anderson.” I couldn't stand either of the two candidates. [laughter] So after that he and I became pretty good pals, and he's never had any cause for complaint about the committee.

And we have done a lot of useful things. Essentially we have no budget, no budget. I think it's two hundred thousand which covers staff, travel and so on, so on. So as you can imagine that ain't much. And all the members pay all their own expenses. Which puts a limitation on the membership, by the way, too. It ain't gonna be very representative if you have to pay for your trip from Los Angeles for every meeting.

But we did do some -- We got involved in a whole series of rather interesting subjects. One of the first, and perhaps most successful, was when the president of the Rockefeller Foundation, Dick Lyman called me and said, “What's this committee about?” I said, “Well, I really didn't know.” But I thought if I sat down and talked with him for an hour, maybe then I would know. I had just read the the report of a commission created by the Rockefeller Foundation to review education. And its conclussions were that, that particularly the humanities needed to be strengthened. And it came up with various, various recomendations. So when I got over to see Dick and his colleague, Alberta Arthurs who runs the Arts and Humanities section of the Rockefeller Foundation, I was at least able to be sufficiently intellegent to discuss the report of which he was quite proud. After we talked for quite a while, I said, “Well what are you gonna do, just put this report on the shelf the way all other