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mail and our spots, that makes people react. And as I said we now have a budget of, I think it's close to ten million dollars. It's done by direct mail, special little dinners, and so on, and so on. Or, an occasional extravaganza. This year we honored Bill Moyers with a dinner for eight hundred people. Last year I was the honoree. And in both cases we net two to three hundred thousand dollars just on the dinner.

Who-

So I raised money for every--there's hardly an organization I don't seem to be raising money for.

Who on the, on the board have been the most activist members other than Lear?

Well, Tony Podesta has been the front man.

He's the operations man?

He's the paid presedent. The executive. John Buchanan is very much of the front. He and Tony and Norman are the ones who appear on T.V. and debates with Falwell, or Robertson, or whoever. You know, the religious network is an enormous and powerful network, and a lot of their programs get put on all sorts of stations. And we exercise the equal time privilege, so that we get stations to run us in one form of the other.