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Well Time, historically, has been always very interested in what's going on abroad. It's really quite ironic when you think of Southeast Asia because the Time, like the U.S., was really of a mind to suggest to the French that they get out of Vietnam. And you will remember that at the time of the fall of, or just before the fall Dien Bien Phu the French were putting enormous pressure on the U.S. to help them. And of all people Dwight Eisenhower was the guy who was saying, “Stay away from ‘em. Don't get involved in that.” And I think our publications were not very friendly towards the French. Then gradually, first under Kennedy we got slightly involved in Vietnam. We believed in the Domino Theory. And we could-

We, we. Who do you mean with “we.”

Well the U.S. and Time. The two really went pretty much--Most Americans tend to go along with what their government is for. Or used to, anyway. Maybe they won't be so much now. But we went along sort of grudgingly with the fact that you had to do something. And the fear was always that the Communists were going to take over in all of Southeast Asia. Domino Theory.

In the case of Time the situation was probably made more acute because of the China issue, and Harry Luce.

In other words Harry was just feeling-

--that this was really fostered by China, and that there was sort of a joke that was current in the Fifties--