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Sixties--

Sixties, in the sixties. Namely, if the Chinese decide to, all they have to do was walk South because there's so many of them that it wouldn't matter what you did. It wouldn't stop them. Which is sort of symbolic of the feeling that this was China's doing. In fact it wasn't. It was Russia's doing more than China's.

But when you say it was also connected with the Luce China feeling, remembering again, of course, Luce was alive until 1967, well into the war. Do you mean also that he felt, “Well, hell we can't let happen here what happened to China.”?

Yep.

Is that what you mean?

Yep, that's right. Well, yes, and the Chinese are futhering it. Both. Both, both. So, by the way, so was the American public. We'd gone through the post war era when we became anti-Russian. We'd gone through the McCarthy era which made us even more anti-Communists, even though McCarthy was finally tossed out. But it had it's impact. And now here we are suddenly with the Communists, maybe lead by China, taking over Vietnam that we had previously suggested letting go. So we went along with national policies, into the Johnson era. By the time Johnson was I guess, by