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covers book of TIME, I'm trying to see where he appears again. That's 1976--that's when he's elected. Here's Ronald Reagan in 1975 on the cover, “Heating up the GOP.” No, here's James Carter, Jr., beginning in 1976. It looks like the sixth or seventh issue. Here's James E. Carter--they've given up calling him Jimmy for a moment. Oh--"Jimmy's Breakthrough” is the slash on it. In 1976. Followed by Ford versus Reagan.

Did you ever personally meet Jimmy Carter?

Yes, but not--you know. Just meet is the right word. Here's Carter and Mondale in the same year of 1976, on the cover. Ford gets a fair amount of coverage, including a cover that says “Ford's setback.” Here is James E. Carter, Jr., having been elected, with the slash being “What I'll Do.”

Okay. Let's go on to Reagan.

In 1977, Jimmy Carter is Man of the Year. Now you know that's quite something. In fact quite extraordinary.

In what sense?

Well, just retrospectively, I look at the man who was elected in November of 1976 and he's Man of the Year in January of 1977. That seems like pretty fast progress.