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got any where. The Times finally bailed out, sold it to somebody for very little. And they bailed out and sold it, and it's still going. It's still around. I forget who has it now. But I think the people who have it are just about to bail out.

Was it an awkward situation for you, being that your wife is on the Board of Directors of the New York Times and had brought a competitive magazine to People, which had been your idea?

It would have been if it had been successful. [laughter]

You mean it was awkward for her![laughter]

It was awkward for her. Yeah it was very embarrassing. I mean they were all ready to shed it very soon. It wasn't good for their reputation and it didn't make money. And that's about the worst kind of combination you can imagine.

Right.

But you know, when Life started Look immediately started. And so it goes. I'm surprised that nobody copied Time until Newsweek did. That was six or eight years later when Newsweek was started.

What about the whole subject of the international editions of Time Inc. publications?