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I can't remember, I can't remember.

Did Time Inc. do anything about the fact that they were Communist, or Time Inc. just realized that they were?

That we realized that they were and I'm just saying, underlying the straight union issues was this pro-Communist thing. And by that time Bullitt had his famous piece, Churchill had given his Iron Curtain speech and-

Whittaker Chambers?

Whittaker Chambers-

Where does he fall into this?

Well, it's funny, that never seemed to relate itself to the union matter.

You mean they never took that cudgel up saying, you know, being anti-Whittaker Chambers?

Oh, being anti-Whittaker Chambers, but that was practically everybody in those days, you know. Anyway; we came very close to a strike and somehow or the other--I guess we traded money-to get out of the union shop. And by and large our policy with regard to the union has always been, “We'll settle for money but we