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will not settle in terms of giving up management prerogatives.”

Explain what you just said, “You gave money and got out of the union shop.” What did you mean by that?

You ultimately get to a point where you're trading one thing for another.

In terms of salary increases?

Yeah. So we in effect gave in on money, salary increases, categories, all the things: Over-time, time and a half, double time for Sundays. All of those things we gave in on. And in effect, traded it for the union shop. And for years Time Inc. has been doing that and maintaining its management prerogative and paying.

Literally the union shop ceased at that point?

Yes. And I forget about the check off. There was sort of a qualified of check off that stayed, I think, for some time.

So how would you then characterize the relationship of the Guild and Time during the Fifties.

Well, it calmed down for quite a while and then in good part because of mismanagement flared up again. You know,