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you've participated in.

This inevitably leads us into the Urban thing, so why don't we just-

Go into the Urban Coalition?

Into the whole urban scene.

Go ahead.

I think I may have spoken about the early days of the American Council to Improve Our Neighborhoods. Did I?

I think you have.

I think I did. And the fight between the public housers and the private housers. Well, one of the people involved there was Jim Rouse, in that effort. And he was the great evangelist. You could put him in front of a thousand people who had never thought about housing or poverty, and after twenty minutes they would be completely imbued with the problem, and most of them would leave the room determined to do something about it. He's that powerful in his convictions and in his ability to express them. And he was one of the founders of ACTION. And we had a, we had a very simple goal, namely to make sure that