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my fault that he came to learn to know Martinis.

Did you learn inside information from Moynihan at that time?

No, I'm sorry, I think I just mislead you a little bit. I think we got to know Moynihan when John was still in the National Urban Coalition. It was more that than it was the Common Cause. Pat had left by the point of the Common Cause period. As a matter of fact, I think he had left to become head of the Harvard/M.I.T. Urban Center, of which I was chairman of the sort of committee, sort of board.

Going back to those two organizations for a minute, what do you think the Urban League, start with that-

Urban Coalition.

Oh, excuse me-Urban Coalition accomplished?

Very difficult to tell. It accomplished one thing. It broke down quite a few barriers, racial barriers. It gave the minorities, the depressed, the poor a place to go to in Washington where they could get help. We would help open doors for them. We would get them in to the assistant secretary to the Interior, if that was the