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connected with some enterprise that I'm involved in.

Dillon and Astor are both connected with the Library?

No, only Brook.

And Dillon would be connected with what?

Well, come to think of it he really isn't connected with anything that I'm connected with. But it seems to me I--oh, I know. Yes, yes, yes. Dillon and I were very much involved in fighting the Tax Reform Act because of its very negative impact on giving to philanthropies. That's where he and I worked on that.

But that's recent, you've known him longer than that?

I've known him-oh, yeah, I've known him for fifteen, twenty years.

O.K., let's-I think it is-

Oh, he's also on Brookings. He retired.

I think it is better to talk about people in relation to the way you've known them, and in relation to events. So why don't we talk about Brookings and your role at Brookings