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were, or, you know, that he might have mused about things with you, or you know. But, O.K..

No, he'll talk to you about the situation in Russia today. He'll go to Russia and come back three days later and he'll tell you everything he felt, and saw, but--

What about Doug Dillon?

Well, he's just a charming person. He was very effective. He ran the Metropolitan Museum for ten years and made it into a great thing. His wife died of cancer about three years ago and he's remarried to a very lovely person. And Doug Dillon, he's just a public servant. Then most of these people seem to be public servants. He after all, was a-

Secretary of the Treasury-

Secretary of the Treasury, Under Secretary of State, a successful business man. Of course, he inherited a lot of money. It was his father who made the money. He's got a charming smile and he's just a very nice fellow.

Shall we end here today?

Yeah.