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speaks very quietly, and Jim Rouse sounds like a preacher at the pulpit. McNamara speaks with a voice of steel and with a conviction that he is right about everything, enormously forceful. You feel that he's not only spoken to you, but he also punched you three times in the process. The other thing, this is funny. [laughs] At this late date in his life he has taken up with a lady and I'm not revealing any great secrets, with a lady who's got seven children, and is still married to a reasonably well known columnist. And McNamera and she travel around the world on Ford Foundation trips and everybody says, “Now, wait a minute. What's going on?”

[Laughing]

Q:

Did he ever talk to you about the war?

Heiskell:

No. One of my failings in life, I now realize, thanks to you, is that I've always been so busy that practically all my conversations with all these people have been about something that had to be done right now. And that there has been very little sort of sitting around of an evening and just chewing the fat. And I find that's true of--you know, these people that I'm talking about are terribly busy people. It's horrible.

Q:

I just thought that maybe, depending on how close you





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