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You think there's no positive value to those protective clauses?

Oh, no, I think they are. I'm all for landmarks and so on, but when you layer them they become nearly impossible. It's like an endless obstacle race.

I think we're going to talk about this in the Bryant Park situation.

I guess so.

O.K..

It does apply to the mayor. The mayor is impacted by these things and you know, you have to have some sympathy for him. My only problem with City Hall was that City Hall has just sort of accepted all of this and isn't trying any counter-reform.

Anything else on Koch?

No.

O.K., you have on your list, Paley and Stanton.

Oh, I don't know if they're really worth talking about. I think I mentioned, in talking about Time Inc. that Paley and Stanton