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proposed a merger once.

Paley is a very vain man. Stanton is an extraordinarily good person. In the twenty years since he didn't get the chairmanship, he has devoted himself to an awful lot of pro-bono efforts. And, as far as I can tell, has done them all successfully. He was head of the Red Cross for a while. I got him to agree to run for overseer which was rather interesting in that he was the person to run for overseer who had no connection with Harvard, whatsoever. He'd never been there, never been to a graduate school, never gotten anything at all. But he was so respected that the alumni actually did vote for him. And it was a marvelous triumph because he turned out to be probably the best overseer we've ever had. And maybe he'll give the University the thought that non-Harvard people might be useful on that board.

You have down here, Ford, Henry Ford, I take it.

Yeah, well, my wife is on the Ford Board. I'm never quite sure whether I know Henry Ford, or whether I know him through her. But I've seen him. He's been to our house, and I've-we've been to his house in England. He's an extraordinary person because--right after the war when I was, I guess I'd just become publisher of Life, one of my jobs was to call on the top people in various companies, essentially to promote us as an advertising media. And I was calling on the Ford Motor Company in the days when the old man was still alive, but the company was being run by a man by the name of Bennett. And Bennett was a gangster- difficult to believe. He was the only