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[Laughter] And I don't know too much about the origins except that the thing was built. It was built badly. There are two theatres in it; the Beaumont upstairs which holds about twelve hundred people, and the Mitzi Newhouse downstairs which holds about three hundred and is used for experimental theatre. It is a part of the Lincoln Center complex and the various elements of Lincoln Center are sort of linked together in various financial aspects. But each entity has its own board of directors.

The Beaumont got into terrible trouble very early in the game and for four years, 1980 to 1984, was actually black, except for rentals to people who used it for other purposes. And the board was at odds with itself, with its artistic director, and was an embarrassment to Lincoln Center and to all the people who were connected with it.

Which board was at odds with itself and with its artistic director?

Lincoln Center. Lincoln Center Theatre.

Inc.?

Lincoln Center Theatre Board which has Lincoln Center Theatre is the Beaumont and vice versa.

And it was at odds with-