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-itself. With in the board.

There was dissension with in the board?

There was dissension with in the board. There was dissension between the board and the artistic director.

Crinkley?

Crinkley, yeah. And if you read anything about the Beaumont it was about bankruptcy, failures of the director, failures of the board. One thing after another. Some time, I think in 1984, Lincoln Center, the parent organization told the board of the Lincoln Center Theatre that it had to do something about itself and, in fact, posed certain conditions, namely that it should have a new chairman, that there should be ten new members on the board and that the board should submit to Lincoln Center a plan of operation within a rather short time. I think it was six months, or something like that. I think at that point Crinkley had been fired. No, no he hadn't.

John Lindsay got the job. And I've never been able to quite ascertain who put him in, although I have to assume Lincoln Center must have had something to do with it. And Marty Segal was chairman of Lincoln Center and he must have had something to do with it. And so then John started recruiting a board, and being an old friend of his, he said, “You have to come onto this board.” And I said, “John, I can't do anything for you. I can't fund raise for you. We're going to start a big fund raising campaign at the Library. You can't