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the money just disappeared.

You mean he had promised some money?

Yes.

And when his businesses went bad he was asked to leave the board?

I guess--I don't remember that

You don't remember that. O.K., continue with where you were in your story, was that you were in the artistic search. Maybe you want to describe in a little more detail how it ended up with Mosher, and who else was considered, and who was really doing the search.

Well, it was really John and Anna Crouse who were responsible for the search. And we met Mosher and Gersten and I was very impressed by them. And it struck me as being a very sensible way of going about it, having the two a team. I also thought that we had found another Gregorian, the Library Gregorian, in Greg Mosher. Well, it turns out he is, I think, a terrific director. But he is not a persona in the sense of being a powerful, a magnetic personality. He's not on the stage all the time, except when he's directing. In fact, he's rather reticent and quiet. So that while people who get to know him like him very much, are impressed, trust him, he doesn't radiate that kind of confidence in himself and the institution that is so helpful in terms of fundraising and so on, so