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on. He is terrifically respected in the profession and is able to get people on his team, either as actors, or as directors, or what have you. And Bernie is thoroughly knowledgeable about the workings of the theatre. But the board that was put together was a weak board. It didn't have a dynamic leader. It had sort of-

You mean in Lindsay?

Yeah.

So Segal was right?

Yeah, but it was too late. If you'd done something then we would have been dead.

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It was difficult to attract important people to what appeared a defunct operation. So you attracted people who had some interest in the theatre and were willing to do something for John. Then you suddenly begin to ask them for money, in large quantities. And they don't have a sense of identity with the institution.

You mean you asked the board when-