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women, who are less sure about money than men are, even though they've got a lot of it. I took a long time to get Annette Reed to do what she always intended to do.

What Reed family is that? Not Ogden.

Her money comes from Engelhardt--

minerals.

Yes. She was Annette Engelhardt, Jane Engelhardt's daughter. That's where her money comes from. The Reeds are a sort of a social family. They're now divorced anyway. That didn't help, by the way. The things that happen. We finally got Ann Getty on the board. I'd never met her. I said, “Annette, for Christ's sakes this is very embarrassing. You've got to get Ann to dinner with Greg and myself.” I couldn't figure out why she wasn't doing it. Finally it occurred. It was a disaster. She had a round table, and in the middle was a bowl about three feet high and two feet across filled with apples that brought it up to about four feet high. So you couldn't see across the table! [laughs] You could only talk to the person at your left and your right! Her husband was there.

Mr. Reed?

Yes. He sort of was showing me around, but no enthusiasm. I barely got to talk to her, Ann Getty. There was “strange silence”