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of vodka, and he had them all out there. And I was trying to drink them all. George Silk, wild Australian; David Douglas Duncan, who became Picasso's friend and did a lot of great books, art books essentially. Photographers also used to get mad at art directors because they blamed them for not using their pictures properly; rather than blaming John Billings, who scared the hell out of everybody, they blamed Harry Richmond or Charlie Tudor.

Did you know Capa?

Yes! Capa and I used to drink together. He'd tell stories, marvelous stories. He was a character who had built a character who had built a character, so that you really never knew where the real Capa was, and I'm not quite sure that he did. He was a Hungarian originally.

Why was it, do you think, that the photographers in those years, the late 30s, 40s--why was it such an international crowd? Because of the photographic developments in Europe?

Well, it probably started with the--

Camera developments?

--the small Leica, which made photojournalism possible. Before that you had large equipment, and the subject knew you were being photographed. But the invention of the Leica in Germany--you