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of vodka, and he had them all out there. And I was trying to drink
them all. George Silk, wild Australian; David Douglas Duncan, who
became Picasso's friend and did a lot of great books, art books
essentially. Photographers also used to get mad at art directors
because they blamed them for not using their pictures properly;
rather than blaming John Billings, who scared the hell out of
everybody, they blamed Harry Richmond or Charlie Tudor.
Did you know Capa?
Yes! Capa and I used to drink together. He'd tell
stories, marvelous stories. He was a character who had built a
character who had built a character, so that you really never knew
where the real Capa was, and I'm not quite sure that he did. He was
a Hungarian originally.
Why was it, do you think, that the photographers in those years,
the late 30s, 40s--why was it such an international crowd? Because
of the photographic developments in Europe?
Well, it probably started with the--
--the small Leica, which made photojournalism possible.
Before that you had large equipment, and the subject knew you were
being photographed. But the invention of the Leica in Germany--you
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