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could sit in a room with twenty people, and they'd hardly be aware of the fact that they were being photographed. And I suppose a lot of the European photographers really developed out of the Leica, in a sense.

Was that, at that moment--in the late 30s and early 40s--was that the most international part of Time, Inc? The photography group at LIFE?

Yes, yes.

Was there any problem when we got into the war with some of these guys being originally from enemy nations?

I believe we had a few problems, and had to overcome some of those innate prejudices that we have. But I can't remember the details. Seems to me we had some problems with Eisie, and one other. Who would it be?

What type of a problem you mean?

They wouldn't allow them out on military--

I see.

--on anything that had a safety factor to it, a security factor to it.