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him. He was, of course, penniless and we inquired as to what it would cost for him and his wife to fly on the clipper to New York City and that's how I determined the value of his services. That's also how he got out of Lisbon and out of Europe. He, being Jewish, of course, was in danger.

Did he go to work for Life when he got back?

No, he didn't, matter of fact, he went to work for the forerunner of Radio Free Europe, whatever it was, we were doing in Washington. I think he may have gone via Brazil but, anyway, he and she got out. After the war, they went back to Europe where they both had brilliant careers in journalism. She was the originator of a magazine called Elle which you now know is here.

One of the more interesting aspects of my life in Lisbon was that Joseph Kessel, also a Jewish refugee, a very well known French writer, was there with his wife and he and I used to go out in the evening. I was absolutely fascinated by him because around one or two o'clock in the morning every night, having consumed quite a lot, he would start eating the glass.

Eating what?

The glass [laughter] and swallowing it.

Seriously?