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do that? Were you involved in that at all?

I can't remember.

Okay.

I'm sure I knew about it.

Any other--focusing on the political aspect--and we're talking about church-state, and how in fact it operated--you know, that you two would discuss things together. What about the first time a Democrat was--

It goes[?] long before that--when I was publisher of LIFE I was involved in everything that went on there editorially because I would be in Ed Thompson's office two or three times a week, at least--or whoever the managing editor was--because I think I was publisher while there were--I had Thorndike, Thompson--

That was it; Thompson went through 1961.

He went through 1961. That's right, Thorndike and Thompson, yes. I had a very long association with Thompson, and we were two very different types, but it was Thompson--as I remember, he would never bring anything up as a matter of church and state. We just argued about anything and everything, ranging from the magazine to anything else.