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kind of impact on the staff. And there were very, very strong feelings, and there was a continuous debate.

And the form of the debate would be the managing editor, the publisher, you, Donovan--

Everybody. The entire staff would be debating it all the time. I mean, the feelings were that strong, and, as history shows, an awful lot of people gradually shifted from being sort of pro-President, pro your country, and so on, to saying this is either a quagmire or an outrage, depending upon how you felt. And the whole sentiment shifted against it.

Do you remember when the issue came out with photographs of--

Of the dead?

Yes.

I think that was Ralph Graves' doing--I believe. It had an enormous impact on the country. Yes. It just shows you the difference between statistics and pictures. Those statistics were there every single day, but when you saw the faces of men who had been killed in the last week, or whatever week it was, it had a totally different impact.

But do you remember there being a discussion of whether or not to