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No, I think I thought of myself mostly. [laughs] I'd been publisher for fifteen years--

That's right.

--then I spent an awful lot of the last ten years working on the magazine. It isn't as if I had disassociated myself from it. Then I had to take the burden, in the final analysis, of--not exactly being the fall guy, but I was CEO, so I had to be responsible. And Hedley and I appeared before the troops, and I had to tell them this painful news.

Was that a difficult time for you?

Oh! I think about--with the exception of the loss of my daughter, this was one of the most difficult moments in my life. Terrible. You know--all my friends who saw themselves without a job! As it turned out, most of them made out pretty well.

Okay. Let's go back now. We're going to touch on some details, and I might bring some things up that you have no memory of, or were insignificant--just say so. Okay? This are just things that I've picked up.

Do you recall anything about--in 1948, you were involved, I know, in the joint--which was unusual at that time--joint election coverage, LIFE with NBC--