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Whereas Thompson was more than willing to wrestle with you about practically anything.

What do you remember about the succession to Hunt? It wasn't so clear-cut, was it, that it would be Hunt? Do you remember that?

Yes. It was Hunt, or--

Wooton?

Wooton. And it was debated at great length by Harry and myself. I guess Billings was still around, or was he? Billings? When did he leave? I forget. Anyway, I don't remember Billings particularly--

What about Shepley? Do you remember him in that?

He wouldn't have been involved. That was what year?

1961.

No, no. Shepley was, at that point, publisher of Fortune.

Yes. No, I know that.

Why do you bring up Shepley?