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Because in one of the books it states that Shepley was the one who--Shepley and Donovan were the ones who really weighed in hard for Hunt. That could be inaccurate.

Donovan weighed in for Hunt. I don't remember Shepley even being in the picture.

Go ahead.

I wasn't sure, because--I think I was really more for Wooton. And the reason I was for Wooton goes back to what I was talking about earlier, namely, I didn't think that LIFE could succeed by being primarily a news magazine. It had to find other ways of doing it and Wooton was much more of a project-oriented editor. He didn't have the charisma that Hunt had. Hunt turned out--well, Hunt was a Marine and he carried on the Marine tradition throughout his entire reign. But Wooton might have been better in terms of dreaming up big acts.

Do you remember that 1969 silver anniversary party?

No. Where was it?

I guess it was in New York.

No.