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Because they knew she had influence on him.

What was she saying about you and Donovan after he died?

She was telling everybody that we were not competent to run the company.

Well, when you say “everybody,” who was she telling?

Our friends were telling us, “This is what Clare is telling people.” She obviously wasn't telling us that. In fact, when I started People, I had several sessions with her because I was trying to pick her brains. I figured that that was really something that would interest her, and I guess I was trying to be friendly.

To get her as an ally?

No, I didn't really want her as an ally. I did want to pick her brains on it, because it seemed like the kind of magazine that she would have enjoyed editing, and that she would have ideas--and indeed she did have ideas--about it. I had two or three sessions with her. But then I kept hearing all this stuff--I don't know. I just decided it was easier to skip it.

Did she ever want to be on the board for any reason?

Oh, she wanted to be an editor! She wanted to be an