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Yes--I suspect that like so many people, he didn't think about it very much until the issue came to the fore, and at that point he was tolerant, he was tolerant racially. But you know, an awful lot of us, before the problem was brought to our attention, may not have been racists, but we just didn't consider that it was an issue.

But when civil rights activities started occurring in the early 1950s, he took a stand--is that not correct?

Oh, yes. He did.

Was that part of his religion, too? You know, what is right and what is wrong?

I don't know. I suppose so, but I don't know. But you've got to remember that Ike--his man Ike was the guy who sent the soldiers into Little Rock. I never heard him do anything except approve of what Ike was doing there.

However--there was a very curious thing about Harry. This is slightly out of context, but nevertheless, I was thinking about it last night. His thinking had a tendency to be very exclusive. He would think about one problem, and only one at any point in time. He might think about race, for example, without ever thinking about race in Time Incorporated. He might think about social structure as a whole, without ever at the same point in time relating it to social