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course, both delighted, because we'd really been sort of itching for
that because we, too, had done fifteen years in one job.
Do you think some of the reasons for this change at this time had
been Luce's first coronary, in 1958? Because as you yourself said,
Stillman was still only fifty-six, and Howard Black was fifty-three.
Larsen and Luce were a bit older but not very, very old. Why did
this happen? In other words, why did this management reorganization
occur between 1959 and 1960?
I don't know. I suppose he had intimations of mortality
from that first thing. But as I said earlier, contrary to general
impression, Harry was a very good organization man, at least in the
theoretical sense of considering that organization was very
important, and that the company had to be well structured.
This may or may not have to do with intimations of mortality, but he
knew he would not be there forever, and he wanted--I think he had an
awful lot to do with saying: “Now we've got to find the right
structure to run the company when we're not around”--probably how he
put it. And while I was not privy to any of those conversations at
that level, obviously, I can well imagine a year of conversations
between Harry and Tex and Roy and Black and Stillman, some of which
would be quite difficult, I would think, because in effect it meant
retirement or semi-retirement for at least three of them. Now, Roy
was the kind of man who would have accepted that quite willingly. I
don't think Black or Stillman particularly wanted to be retired at
that point, and, of course, Harry was playing it both ways. He was
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