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I thought it would work. I thought he'd see the virtues
of it. For a while, it did. It's funny. It didn't for the first
two years, and then it seemed to work. But then when they disposed
of Temple-Inland, and Grum went off, he didn't appoint an executive
vice president. And I did say, “Dick, I don't understand why you
don't do this. Because this is too much for you to handle.” I still
don't understand it. Because he finally did, but what he did was to
move Davidson out, really, and to make Nick president instead of
executive vice president. In my view, he should have made Nick
executive vice president three years earlier.
What was your--the day that you retired, and he became C.E.O.,
from that point on how much did you consult with him? Or did he--
Did he ask for your advice?
Did he pretty much cut you out of the picture? I mean, you were
out of the pi--
Did you remain on the board?
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