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No.
--influence?
Did you use to speak to anybody at the Luce Foundation prior to a major decision, just because they were a large stockholder?
No. Hank Luce was on the board, so--
So there was no need.
Yes.
Was he an active or an inactive board member?
Not--inactive.
He was inactive?
He was. Okay.
Of course, he was an employee first--
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