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picture, that I don't suppose that he paid very much attention to them. Had he realized that it would get us into what we ended up by being, he would probably have been against that, too.

You mean, in other words, not being all in publishing.

Yes. Yes.

What about--I understand that he did put his foot down about a movie venture. Let's talk about the movies--

Oh, those disasters.

Why won't you trace, from the beginning, anything that Time Inc. has ever had to do with movies. Films.

Well, of course, it started with the March of Time Films.

Right--the March of Time Films in the 1930s.

In the 1930s. First there was March of Time Radio and then there was March of Time Films. And then--this is slightly unrelated, but we also owned one third, I think, or one quarter, maybe one half, of the A.B.C. Blue Network, at one point, too. That was, I think, Roy's doing. I don't think Harry was very happy about that.