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the editor-publisher. Or he's the editor and then there will be a business manager, but the business manager will be one level below. And I suppose I should have put my foot down and said: “Well, if we can't find a man, we shouldn't buy the paper.” But that's not how real life is--i.e., you keep on thinking that you're going to find the right man, and maybe if you bought the paper there's a better chance of finding the right man. But that had a lot to do with the failure of the whole effort. We put in Murray Gart as editor, and then we brought a fellow called Hoyt from Pioneer Press, which we owned, and put him in as publisher. He and Murray did not get on well, and I kept urging Shepley to play a bigger role there. He had the title of Chairman of the paper. In fact, I rather thought that he was going to move to Washington pretty soon, and really make this his last big challenge in the publishing world. For reasons that I have never had an answer to, he shied away from taking any sort of total responsibility for the paper, and it was left with Murray Gart and Hoyt.

Not Bellows.

No, yes--we did have Bellows for a time as an editor. But no, the Publisher was--

Well, go on. You can add that.

Bellows came and went. And then we had Yoder[?] on the editorial page--