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It's Friday, the 13th of February. We're in New York City, at 870 U.N. Plaza. This is Jessica Holland. Would you state and spell your full name.

I'm Andrew Heiskell: H-e-i-s-k-e-1-1.

Okay. We're going to take a pause from Time Inc., and we're going to talk about some of your other activities through the years. And why won't you start with Harvard. Trace it from your first involvement with Harvard up to date.

Way back, maybe twenty years ago, because of my involvement in urban affairs, I was asked to be chairman of a new center, urban center, that Harvard and MIT had put together. It was really chairman of the visiting committee. And it was an effort to make useful studies about the housing industry, city planning, the problems of the poor, and so on and so on. I think the first or the second Director was Pat Moynihan, now the Senator--which of course made the job more interesting because he's always such a marvelously amusing raconteur. I was that for quite a few years, and then for reasons that I'm not quite--