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appearance of cities. But anyway, I had quite a bit of knowledge about urban affairs: I knew a lot of people who were in the field, and so I became chairman of the, in effect, the visiting committee to that--to the Joint Center for Urban Affairs at Harvard and MIT. And then some years--

Anything interesting from that recollection, either about Moynihan or what the center was trying to do, or--

Essentially it did studies which were published. It didn't do anything itself--I guess in a way universities don't do anything per se, they simply--they either teach or do research, and this was essentially an organization to do research. Quite a few interesting people were involved in it at one point or another. Another director was Martin Myerson, who went on to become the president of the University of Pennsylvania. Another was--what the hell is the name? It would come to me--he became president of the University of Massachusetts. [short silence]--

You can put it in on the transcript.

I'll put it in on the transcript--yes, I will. Then at a later date, some years later--

But was any particular viewpoint formed? From that center--do you recall?