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said: “Why won't you run for overseer?” I said: “My God, I never even went to the college. I only went to the Business School for a year and disliked that.” He said: “Oh, no. You'll find it very interesting.”

Who was that?

Bill Rothchild, Walter Rothchild. You get elected overseer: namely, the Alumni Association puts up a slate of ten, and five are elected--five out of the ten. There also can be self-appointed--

It's staggered elections.

It's staggered--

How many overseers are there?

There are thirty overseers, five classes of six--no, I'm sorry, six classes of five, so you serve six years.

He said: “Well, but don't be silly.” I said: “How could I get elected? I mean, nobody--there's not even an alumnus who has ever heard of me.” He said: “Oh, no. Don't worry, you're fairly well known. You just might; it wouldn't do you any harm if you didn't.” So, I agreed.

He said: “Now look, Andrew, there's one thing you've got to make sure you do. When you send”--you have to send in a brief resume