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Does Bok--how would you describe Bok's political attitudes in general?

Very centrist.

[Short silence]. Less liberal that you?

Very close. He's an enormously thoughtful person. His capacity for work of all kinds--ranging from intellectual to fund-raising--is absolutely extraordinary. He can do in 24 hours what most people would take two weeks to do. Every year he will write a major paper on a different academic subject, quite often criticizing some part of Harvard. He wrote one that criticized the Business School and got all the graduates mad at him--so he's a very courageous man, because it takes a lot of courage to do that. You can say: “Who needs that?” [laughter]. But these papers are now being, getting to be very respected. He writes the most extraordinarily good letters to deans, prodding them gently but firmly in certain directions. He's a proponent of innovation: for example, he thinks the Business School should do much more research than it does; he backed the New Pathways program in the Medical School, which tries to make the study of medicine a more humane course of study than it is--the student is expected to understand the person first and then address himself to the disease rather than just the disease. That's a fairly revolutionary course. He's very good at administration, handling budgets. We're now--the university now, and this is really very recent, because when I got into the